Jennifer Knapp on Larry King: Part 2

We continue with part 2 of this interview:

@ 1:30 Larry, ask's her if her being a homosexual was a choice to which she say's she does not know.

Response

Homosexuality is a behavior of a male or female. People are not born 'Homosexual" or "heterosexual" as though we are two different classes of people but rather we are born male or female!  As of now the evidence does not show homosexuality is due to biology because if it was we would expect to see the same behavior with identical twins, but we do not.

Secondly, as Dr. Frank Turek, points out that it would seem hard for homosexuals to pass there genes on being that they can not procreate with the same sex.  (http://www.crossexamined.org/blog/?p=214)


@ 1:45 Jennifer, says love is a choice but not sure about her sexuality

Response

This would bring up another excellent point. Even if a person was born a homosexual, the fact that love is a choice does not mean they have to act on their feelings. As a Christian the bible is clear that homosexuality is a sin:


Lev 18:22 "You shall not lie with a male as one lies with a female; it is an abomination."


Lev 20:13, "If there is a man who lies with a male as those who lie with a woman, both of them have committed a detestable act; they shall surely be put to death. Their blood guiltiness is upon them"


1 Cor 6:9-10, "Or do you not know that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor homosexuals, nor thieves, nor the covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers, shall inherit the kingdom of God."


Rom. 1:26-28, "For this reason God gave them over to degrading passions; for their women exchanged the natural function for that which is unnatural, and in the same way also the men abandoned the natural function of the woman and burned in their desire toward one another, men with men committing indecent acts and receiving in their own persons the due penalty of their error. And just as they did not see fit to acknowledge God any longer, God gave them over to a depraved mind, to do those things which are not proper."

Biblically there is no question as to what the Christian position is and so if a person was born gay and are a Christian, they should NOT act on those feelings.  Remember that if we belong to Christ that we are NOT our own!

(1 Corinthians 6:12-20 ESV)
“All things are lawful for me,” but not all things are helpful. “All things are lawful for me,” but I will not be dominated by anything. “Food is meant for the stomach and the stomach for food”—and God will destroy both one and the other. The body is not meant for sexual immorality, but for the Lord, and the Lord for the body. And God raised the Lord and will also raise us up by his power. Do you not know that your bodies are members of Christ? Shall I then take the members of Christ and make them members of a prostitute? Never! Or do you not know that he who is joined to a prostitute becomes one body with her? For, as it is written, “The two will become one flesh.” But he who is joined to the Lord becomes one spirit with him. Flee from sexual immorality. Every other sin a person commits is outside the body, but the sexually immoral person sins against his own body. Or do you not know that your body is a temple of the Holy Spirit within you, whom you have from God? You are not your own, for you were bought with a price. So glorify God in your body."

As a Christian, the bible is the authority.  Jennifer, herself said love was a choice and just because you have certain desires it does not make it right to act on those desires. We have fallen in Adam, and so we inherit his sin nature and we have desires to do all kinds of evil things that we can not act on:

Romans 7:5 "For when we were controlled by the sinful nature, the sinful passions aroused by the law were at work in our bodies, so that we bore fruit for death."

Romans 8:4 "in order that the righteous requirements of the law might be fully met in us, who do not live according to the sinful nature but according to the Spirit."


(Romans 7:22-25 ESV)
"For I delight in the law of God, in my inner being, but I see in my members another law waging war against the law of my mind and making me captive to the law of sin that dwells in my members. Wretched man that I am! Who will deliver me from this body of death? Thanks be to God through Jesus Christ our Lord! So then, I myself serve the law of God with my mind, but with my flesh I serve the law of sin".


@ 5:50 into the interview Larry ask's Pastor Bob how he knew he like women and if he made a choice to be heterosexual

Response

This is baffling to me. How do men know they like women? Because it is the obvious design of man and woman! Not to sound crude but the male penis was NEVER intended to go into the rectum which is what gets rid of the bodies toxins and poisons. Nature itself speaks pretty clearly that men and women are suppose to be attracted to eachother or we would not even have people here to ask the question!

Secondly, the plain facts about homosexuality really speak for themselves!

1-According to the latest data from the Center for Disease Control, homosexual men comprise more than 80 percent of sexually transmitted HIV cases despite comprising less than 2 percent of the population.
(CLICK HERE  http://www.cdc.gov/hiv/surveillance/resources/reports/2009report/pdf/table1a.pdf )

2- The FDA says that men who have sex with men have an HIV infection rate 60 times higher than the general population.  ( http://www.nationaljournal.com/healthcare/u-s-to-take-another-look-at-gay-blood-donation-ban-20110726 )

3-Norman Geisler, and Frank Turek wrote a book called "Legislating Morality".   On page 132 of their book they have a chart in which they show statistics taken from Omega Study Results, a study comparing obituaries of 6,737 homosexuals to a sample of heterosexuals, the results speak for themselves ( Note LTSP refers to long term sexual partner)



Married men
The average live to be 75
Percent living past 65 80%

Single or Divorced Men
Average age 57

32% Percentage living past 65

Homosexual Men
Without Aids

Average age 42 and only 9% live past 65

Homosexual Men
Without Aids Average age 41
With an LTSP 7% live past 65

Homosexual Men
With Aids an LTSP Average age 39 Less than 2% make it past 65

The source is Paul Cameron PhD, William Playfair, M.D., and Stephen Wellum, The longevity of Homosexuals: Before and after the aids epidemic,” The Omega Journal of Death and Dying 29:3 1994 249-272


It is not rocket science here Larry!


@ 6:50 Larry, suggests that because God is omnipotent that he therfore created homosexuality.

Response

This is absurd! Homosexuality is a behavior, NOT a thing that is to be created. People acting on their own free will act in ways that will either bring glory and honor to the Creator, or they will use their free will for evil.

The bible is clear that God did not create evil in the sense of moral acts:

James 1:13 "Let no one say when he is tempted, “I am being tempted by God,” for God cannot be tempted with evil, and he himself tempts no one".

James 1:14 "but each one is tempted when, by his own evil desire, he is dragged away and enticed."



@ 7:30 Jennifer claims that the greek words for homosexuality did not exist.

Response

This is nothing more than a smoke screen. The fact that a language may not use the WORD "Homosexual is irrelevant. The bible does not use the word Trinity, nor is the word "Bible" or "Monotheism" used.

The word  does not have to be their but rather the concept. Just as the word "Monotheism" is not in the bible does not negate the bible clearly teaches that only one God exists and has revealed himself in three persons.



Let us look at

Rom. 1:26-28, "For this reason God gave them over to degrading passions; for their women exchanged the natural function for that which is unnatural, and in the same way also the men abandoned the natural function of the woman and burned in their desire toward one another, men with men committing indecent acts and receiving in their own persons the due penalty of their error. And just as they did not see fit to acknowledge God any longer, God gave them over to a depraved mind, to do those things which are not proper."


Whether the Greek has the word "homosexual" or not is irrelevant. One can read the passage and understand it is DESCRIBING homosexual behavior.


Sadly the Pastor does not catch this and responds by saying he believes the word of God is inspired which did not at all address her question and the objection that she raised.